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  • Feb. 12th, 2007 at 1:34 PM
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I bought the movie THREE KINGS on DVD at Staples (?) for $9 the other day. I hadn't seen it since maybe '99/2000. It is like a thousand times more disturbing now. It's very good. I love David O Russell and hope he makes another one soon. I HEART HUCKABEES was one of my top 5 of '04.

Yesterday I pre-ordered the PLANET EARTH DVD set on Amazon.ca. Have you guys seen this show? It's so mind-blowing. It's this BBC nature series shot in a super-gorgeous arty way. It's playing on the CBC right now, and I guess on Discovery (in the USA) soon; it wrapped up on the BBC in late 2006. The DVD comes out April 24 and Hope and I can't wait to watch the whole thing in one go.

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While I was in the shower I was idly thinking about how comics are about the same age as like, rock n' roll, but there's probably 1 notable comics work for every thousand notable works of pop music in the past fifty years. There's a breadth issue. I was thinking about it because I was thinking about comics criticism and how underdeveloped it is, but I guess it's not really the critics' fault. There's just not much to work from. You can compare a new Graphic Novel to like a dozen previous works in your head, seven of which came out in the past five years, you know?

I'm sad about comics. Not really.

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So I was thinking I would ask: who is going to this North York Public Library thing next week? The me thing? If you're going, what would you like me to talk about or show you? Even if you're not going, what in general do you think a speaking engagement like this should involve? I'm a little bit unprepared and I'm not totally sure how to do a "comics reading", which I think people are expecting. But I'd like to try. So, suggestions plz.

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[info]dryponder wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 05:53 pm (UTC)
agreed on planet earth. very cool.

not so much agreed on the comics issue, though! i mean, spawn, youngblood, the new supergirl...so much to note.
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[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 05:56 pm (UTC)
I loved Three Kings, but by the very end of it I felt really awful because it was just a movie and the real world was still just as bad as the real world really is. I'm glad to hear it's up for cheap... I will grab it, if only for the acting tips from Ice Cube.

I also loved I Heart Huckabees, but I find it's a really dividing film. Audra, for example, hated it utterly.

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I think comics are a lot harder to crank out than songs, or even albums. I guess because when they're as repetitive as popular music tropes are, it hurts the audience's enjoyment a lot more. Plus the comic book equivalent of just turning the mic on and seeing what happens probably takes like a week instead of ten minutes.
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[info]happymrlocust wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC)
I haven't gotten around to watching Planet Earth yet, as I've made it a mission to watch all the previous David Attenborough nature documentries. Life on Earth, Life in the Freezer and The Living Planet have all been fantastic.
[info]excitableboy wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
the phrase 'sad about comics' reminds me of the elvis costello b-side 'sad about girls'

in my head, i dunno if there's a 'right way' to do a reading cos i always picture them being like storytime or whatever. it'd be neat if you had yourself and one or two other people 'acting out' the character voices and put pages on a projector or something. i think gavin mcinnes used a projector for shit when he was doing live readings of vice's 'do's and dont's'.

unless you're not wanting to go the live reading route in which case this comment is stupid.
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[info]granulac wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 06:36 pm (UTC)
Music has been universal for way longer than comics, though. Not that it has to be, or that there's any set-in-stone reason comics don't appeal to a broader audience. But the mainstream doesn't identify so closely with comics yet, thus fewer fans, thus fewer creators. I'm sure there are a lot more reasons, but that's the first that comes to mind.

I think it's getting better, though!
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[info]signifier wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 06:39 pm (UTC)
...Of course, if you compare the notable comics from the past five years to the notable music from the past five years, I think comics win. And if it's 2006, they win in a landslide.
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[info]lancescott wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 06:41 pm (UTC)
I'd say comics are actually about twice as old as rock. Indie comics (or, undergrounds), however...

At my last reading, I actually read from a comic. I didn't show any art, I just read from my script for 12 REASONS. This may not be as easy for you, since you also draw I don't know how you script, but I took a chapter that was mainly powered by dialogue and edited down the panel descriptions to the necessary elements. It went pretty well.
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[info]goraina wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 06:43 pm (UTC)
For the library thing, people looooove to hear about process. If you can bring some slides (or powerpoint, whatever) of your stages of production, that's fun. From script-to-layouts-to-pencils-to-inks-to adding tones and dialogue, and if you just show a page or two of all this stuff, it'll give you stuff to talk about and the audience stuff to ask questions about.

Also, talking about how you got started and what happened along the way, the good and the bad. And people LOVE horror stories...if you've gotten any good hate-mail, or if there was some person who tried to talk you out of what you're doing, for some reason people just eat that stuff up.

It'll be fun!

They asked me to go to this too, by the way! I had to decline because I've got too much going on here, and I'm already going to be in TO twice this year.
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[info]kairchan wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 06:43 pm (UTC)
I really wish comics were as big here as manga is in Japan. Comics have been a thing for me since I could read, and it doesn't seem to be many other people's thing in my area. It's easy to find a group of comic fans and artists online, but it's not easy finding them 'round these parts. I really do hope comics gain more popularity, as it'll probably inspire more material for us fans, too. I still can't tell if the whole industry is losing or gaining momentum.

I do work in an anime store now, so it's a bit easier to find indie comic nerds, but mostly they just want to talk about manga and video games.
[info]the_big_mo wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 07:16 pm (UTC)
I can't remember if I asked you on Saturday - are you guys coming to the party next week? We're having a double-30 birthday for me and Jim on the 24th. Let me know if you and Hope can come!
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[info]evinou_art wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 07:42 pm (UTC)
Im really interested in seeing how your going to tackle this libary thing. Im super pumped for it! Things I would like to hear about are your process, how you go about laying out a page and your inking technique. Maybe if you get an over head projector you can do a kind of demo on it so everyone can see what your doing and talk us through it. That would be wicked and kill lots of time. Also I'd like to hear about your early days how you first got published and how you approached oni with Lost at sea. Um also hoping you have art for sale and are signing. My lady friend needs her books signed!

p.s comics are wicked and are constantly getting better in the last twenty years you can see so much growth in dialouge. the diversity of art styles that are being more generally accepted by mainstream comics is also seeming to grow too.um... yeah, cant wait for the libary thing!
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[info]not_a_manifesto wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 08:16 pm (UTC)
Wow, I hadn't heard about this Library buisness, but I'll be there.. i still need to get my Vol. 1 Signed, and maybe Lost At Sea too... and it'll be interesting to see you speak, though i've never been to one of these things, so I'm no help in the process department
[info]westival wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 08:21 pm (UTC)
My favorite part about Three Kings is the x-ray bullet entrance thing they did. I realize that could just be a trite stylistic thing, but I thought it was amazing to watch.

I would like to go to Japan to direct the live action film adaptation of Osama Tezuka's "Black Jack". I would like to employ the same x-ray/innerbody technique to show all the goofy medical gore stuff that was in the comics.

If you have to read a comic in front of a crowd, maybe use a slide projector?
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[info]come_on_lemon wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 08:48 pm (UTC)
I seriously want to do comics now, finally, after I've been skirting around it for years. I am actually fully okay with the fact that it takes so long to do them, because the actual process of drawing is so calming and meditative for me - which is good for my fucked up anxiety-ridden brain.

Music has also always taken me quite a while also, though. I'm totally not a fast songwriter. Though, I guess taking month to finish a song is still a lot less work than a comic.
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[info]theorangemonkey wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 08:52 pm (UTC)
What I was *hoping* for at the library thing would be to hear about stuff like your creative process, stuff on any extra difficulty you encountered as a Canadian creator working in a heavily US-dominated marketplace, and possibly preview art for Volume 4 of SP?

A slideshow-type thing would be excellent, now that it's been mentioned, but only if you have tonnes of free time kicking around to put that sort of thing together.
[info]twig_tea wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 08:57 pm (UTC)
I don't know if you have or not, but if you haven't, definitely take the time to watch those special features. They are some of the best on any dvd. Also, if you're interested in all the nitpicky details of movie making, Three Kings has some of the best commentary for learning about the various aspects (since one of the commentaries is by.. the cameramen, or something? something very technical)
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[info]indigoboyblue wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 10:04 pm (UTC)
I know I'll be going to the library event...

Personally I would enjoy a behind the scenes type thing... sortta like the annotated pilgrim posts you do...
[info]hughtron wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)
I think that (obviously) part of the difference is that if you write a rock song, you can get up on stage and sing it and pick up girls and everyone will cheer for you.

Sitting alone at your desk at 3:00 AM putting the finishing touches on the inks for page 65 is about as far from the communal experience as you can get, so I don't know, that might have something to do with it. I kind of lost track of my idea here.

I took the wife to see you play with The Stolen Minks on Saturday, and we both enjoyed seeing your performance very much, although mostly all we could see was the bouncer's back and everybody who entered the bar talking to the door people. It was fun though. I wished the vocals had been a little louder, but that is the scourge of live music in general and (I find) Gus's Pub in particular. My wife spent most of the night desperately wanting to ask Hope what manga she was reading.

RE: "Comics Readings," I'd have to echo everyone who suggested talking about process. I know I personally love to hear about that kind of thing, especially stuff like inking and toning, but anything to do with "How I Make My Comic" is always fascinating. I could honestly just sit and listen to somebody talk about that kind of thing for hours.



..goodness I typed a lot just now.
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[info]telecart wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 12:06 am (UTC)
I have a doco fetish. I support Planet Earth wholeheartedly, gonnah ave to ee when I can order it here.
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[info]westival wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 03:42 am (UTC)
You should watch the Manor House miniseries. I think you might love it.

http://www.pbs.org/manorhouse/
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[info]cheston wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 05:01 am (UTC)
Comics offer a lot of things to me that rock music does not.
If I've read a comic once already, subsequent reads are faster. Music stays the same speed.
On the flip side of that, if a moment in a comic hits me real hard, I have a chance to stare at the image and really let it sink in. Guitar solos don't wait up.
Comics sit in a pile by my bed, and when there is a dull moment, suddenly I am reading a comic without even realizing I've started. I don't think I've ever unintentionally hit play in iTunes or on a CD player.
Also, a lot of rock sells itself based on its image. Comics almost never sell themselves based on sound.

These are just ideas, and I guess they only compare consumption, whereas you were talking more about production.
But I hope I've been remotely insightful.
[info]pet_cemetery wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 05:32 pm (UTC)
the torontoist massive dares you to never say the word 'comic'
[info]madmanofprague wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2007 07:36 am (UTC)
You should get people to come up on stage and read out the parts of people, and Christopher Lee should describe what's happening in each comic panel.
[info]phthoggos wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2007 07:33 pm (UTC)
Scott McCloud likes to talk about Vaudeville "chalk talks" back in the day. You can totally bring back the "comic artist = rock star" myth back, dude. Just get up with a projector or a giant pad of paper and show people how you do what you do. Like the first half of this video from 1911. Winsor McCay was totally a rock star.

As for what to talk about, I live on the wrong coast but I would want to hear: creative process stuff, all the secret ways in which SP is based on your life, embarrassing stories about Chris Butcher, and recommendations of things that influenced you and that your fans would probably enjoy (specifically in terms of comics, but other things like video games and movies and music too, I guess).
[info]erikochan wrote:
Feb. 16th, 2007 01:51 am (UTC)
I always liked the David Attenborough (sp?) documentaries. That is the only guy who could be so dignified and authoritative, even standing in a swamp or hanging from a tree. I kind of wish we had HDTV, just so my mind could be blown away by watching Planet Earth.

I'm coming on Tuesday with Kiza and Halliday! I think you could introduce yourself and include a little background, where the idea came from, etc. then introduce the main characters of Scott Pilgrim and go through the basic plot/situation. This will cover things for people who aren't totally familiar with the books. As for the "comic reading", I'd keep it short, maybe a couple selected scenes. Oh! You should include the Knives vs. Ramona battle in the Reference library for sure, heheh. The librarians will really dig that. XD Other than that, maybe go through your influences and references you've worked into the book. I don't know how long this thing is supposed to be, but you could also go through the process of creating comics from story/script/layout/roughs/inks/tone/etc. I think a lot of people would be interested in that, especially considering there's supposed to be the Albion manga club there (Believe it or not, I actually turned down teaching that about 3 years ago because it was on the other side of the city and I don't have a car.)

PS. Visual aids = DEFINITE YES.

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